Axis Wakeboard Boat Forum

My HOA goes by what's on the title. My Supra was 21' 10", but when I registered the boat, I had them put 21' total. What measurement of the A22 is 21'? Without the swim platform?? I always thought it was 22'..

Thanks for the comments on the engine, I appreciate the feedback. I'm saddened to hear that you need to add more than the bow pnp sac to the front to make the wake right. How much more weight are people adding? If it's just a few hundred pounds, I guess I would consider some lead sacs.. The over-the-side tsunami and dealing with the bags is such a pain in the a$$, I'd rather not do it this go around..

Take care.

I just run a 400lb sac in the bow. You could easily get 300-400lbs of lead into the forked area of the hull and not need the sac. The Axis makes a better wake when you balance the boat so if you're adding 1500-2000lbs of rear ballast, it likes the same weight forward.

adam. The measurement from the middle tip of the boat (including the rub rail) to the transom at the drain plug on the A22 is exactly 22'. Some POA/HOA have a different measuring system so it depends, but as for your POA, you are lucky. I once got a 22' 6" tige on a 22 foot lake by going to the DMV and having the measurement on the registration changed (for free) to 21' 9". That POA went off of registration as well. Not saying you should do that, its just something I did for one summer.

As for the bow weight. with 750's and the 950 bow pnp plus wedge, you will have a great wake. I recently rode an A20 with a lot less weight than that and it was great. At or around sea level, you should be fine with the 335 with the right prop. (1235, cinco, core, acme's new 15" props...)

Personally, I agree with AJ, I have set up both my drives 50-50 bow/stern, so whatever I had in the rear, I put of front. I find the wake is really firm so you get a lot of pop, more so than a peakier wake from more rear ballast that makes for a soft lip.

My A22 has 400 lbs of lead hidden up in the pickles, that on top of 250 lead in the cab, 750's in the rear, and the (950 or whatever it is when its under the seats) up front sets my boat bow heavy but with the swim step underwater. Wake is perfect, no pumps over the side... when I bought, I was in the same boat as you, did not want to ever touch another pump or sack, so Axis was an easy choice. I rode it full ballast and pnp without the 400 lead in the bow and the wake was great, after I added the 400 up front, it is now amazing.

If you can somehow get the a22 on your lake, do it, but if not, the A20 with full pnp is great

I have an A20 with the 335 and here is the max I am able to get to plane...

factory hard tanks full = 900 lbs
PnP: (2 x 750s @ 50% full and 1 x 950 mushroom bag 100% full) = 1,700lbs
2 x 400lb v-drive sacks in the bow (in a T shape) = 800lbs
Wedge down = 1,000lbs

So, you're looking at about 4,400lbs of weight if you count the drag from the wedge as 1,000lbs (that's what they say)......and I usually have about 3 people in the boat when we do this.

This will feel nose heavy but when you plane out the wedge pulls the rear down and you level off. Just be careful coming to a stop after your rider falls...feather the throttle as the nose drops and you'll be fine. But you will definitely be plowing on the way back to pick up your rider

It takes about 15 seconds to plane but when it does, man the wake is perfect. Some folks claim that when you reach a certain weight in the A20/22, you no longer need the wedge, as the wake will be plenty steep on its own. I have not been able to do this....but maybe they can speak up.

One of the best ways to come off plane when you are heavy like that is:

1. Throttle back to neutral.
2. As SOON as the bow JUST begins to lower, crank the steering wheel hard and FAST either full left or right, doesn't matter direction.

Watch your bow AND engine covers stay completely dry....

Oh yea, Otown... I've reached that scenario in my A22. Can't say I like how much it's weighted though...

Which scenario is that? You created a steep vert wake without the wedge?

otown.... x2 with fiveflat as far as coming off plane. I don't have to turn when I come off plane, I can just throw it in nuetral, but by adding the full turn once the tranny is in neutral, the wake helps spin the rear of the boat around and makes for faster pick ups. You have an A20 so I don't know how similar bow weight affects how low your front is, but 800 in sacks in the bow should not be a big problem unless you have rollers coming at you.

I am curious as to what fiveflat has to say on the subject, but I too have experienced the wake steepening up quite a bit with additional weight. I don't have a wedge and run 4k all the time with 3-4 people. Then one time I had an 800 completely full on the floor of the cab with 4 people and the wake was noticably steeper as if it had a wedge. The general rule is rear weight makes a steeper wake (and softer) and bow weight makes the wake rampy but firm. I was shocked at how the wake responded to extra weight in the center. I know with the A22, it will take any weight you can throw at it (one of only a few boats that can do that, along with the 04-12 xstar) and it just keeps geting better, but I did not expect it to steepen like that... it was fun (and it was with the 335 and cinco prop)

oh and Glesh... If you get the 2013 A20, you will have the 1" ballast hoses and bigger pumps, so you will be able to run a lot more weight with your same motor if you dump your ballast when your rider falls, then as you start your pull, fill your ballast. You will be able to dump a ton of weight in that minute it takes to turn and pick up your rider, and will be able to refill it full in less than a minute as you pull your rider up, and you will get on plane faster with less fuel used.

I wish my boat had these hoses and pumps....

On my A20 with the mushroom bag under the seats (750ish filled under there), and 800lbs on top of it, my nose is REALLY close to going under when stopping (carefully).